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Post by iflowerbed2 on Aug 6, 2013 12:49:29 GMT -5
I can see this topic has sparked some strong feelings. That's healthy as heap explained - it's good to hear all sides no matter what the topic. I'm on FB, but not twitter, and this is the only forum I'm actively on so my online connections are limited. Even on FB I don't have a long list of 'friends' as some of my friends do because some of my good friends chose not to have an online presence. The numbers are not so important. With this DQ forum and the app itself, I have found a lovely home where my creations can be appreciated (or not!) and I can learn from all the talented artists. The forum has been a great way to discuss ideas and extend our creativity through subquests. For me, the word 'friends' has different connotations to different people, in reality or online. I consider my DQ friends to be more acquaintances with whom I like to exchange artistic ideas. I found it interesting that some people have been quite forthcoming with their emotions, such as when seejaymore and shellsonthebeach reached out to the DQ community and received all sorts of encouraging messages. I really felt a connection to these online friends despite having never met them. So what I'm trying to say is that I'm good with the various interpretations of 'friend'. I think we all have different needs and perspectives. Some like regcas are more expressive with their 'love' for DQers, and others like deedee2277 have a more precise perspective on friendship and love. I hope I haven't misinterpreted! Heap, it's cool that you met your husband online. To close, can I send out cyber hugs to you all for a stimulating discussion?
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Post by deedee2277 on Aug 6, 2013 13:01:01 GMT -5
You read me well iFlowerbed2. I do like precision and accuracy, clever of you to spot that, but I do have a sense of humour too. I hope comes out in my drawings. Incidentally I'm not a member of any social networks, I've noticed how people can become completely obsessed with them. However I do like the Forum in a non obsessive way and yes, this has been a great discussion
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Post by uineya on Aug 6, 2013 16:29:19 GMT -5
For nature i'm not a very "social" human. I easily interact with people and i'm relatively open with people, but even in real world i have very few Friends. I call it "friend VS Friends" (With capital F) I have friends which I interact and share and chat, collegues, customers, school pals..., but also I have Friends (With F), in the sense of Ohana, people that is part of my family, despite not having family bonds. I value a lot the difference of f VS F. What most people call friend I call them "people who I know" My ohana is very reduced. And the jump from f to F is something that happens whit personal relations development, so it takes time.
Most interaction with drawquesters is through Twitter, which I like, because is a direct relation, and I've found people who I'm liking a lot (Sorry for them, those poor humans...) Again, as I am very affectively reserved by nature, I interact less than desirable, in part because of the public nature of social networks. For example, I don´t wish happy birthday in public, prefer to direct message, because I feel that personal relations should be more private. I enjoy much more private chats (skype, iMessage, etc...) as are more conversational and, ejem, private? I'll don't mind to develop stronger bond with some people, but also don't like to force that bonds. Real friendship is somethin that happens, or not.
That doesn't means that I don't want to know about you people beyond digital realm. If any of you comes to Bilbao some day, i'll be first in line to be your personal Cicerone and guide!!! It's simply that i'm slow knitting my relationships. In fact, most of my first tweets for people are drawings instead of texting... I know, i'm complicated. I'm very reserved and very open at same time. I don't hesitate on help and answer and talk people, but at same time I have a very small affective garden...
Then there is facebook, where friend is a commercial trademark. I have a FB account, but very few contacts, mostly family and some people, very few Friends. I don't trust in Facebook as platform so i don't take it very serious. In both, but most in facebook than twitter, I use a lot of time to think before "befriend" anybody. Is the same issue as in not following back people on DQ. I need to feel something whit people.
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Post by MeanGeri on Aug 7, 2013 0:22:04 GMT -5
Wow, who would have thought such a little question would spark so much discussion!
I understand both sides to this debate.
1. I think it is possible to forge meaningful connections via Internet communication. We chat daily, share important moments, support each other, and give valuable opinions and advice to one and other.. Some connections are simple and almost meaningless, while others become more complex and eventually can move to our real lives. People meet online and then get along so well that they meet face to face. Friendships, romances, marriages, and families have all begun from online chatting. Before we had telephones one of the most meaningful ways to communicate was the written word. We corresponded through letters and it was an intimate way to get to know each other. When your sweetheart went off to college or war you wrote letters pledging love and devotion. People became pen pals and made life long friends. In fact, my dearest friend moved away a few years ago and now we speak through e-mail and game chat almost exclusively. Therefore, when people write to each other online it is real communication, we are forming real connections. But...
2. When we chat online do we really know each other? I know things about people, but I wouldn't say I really know any of you. We are acquainted. Can we become friends? Yes, but I think it would take more meaningful discussions than, "Gee, you draw well. I really like your avatar." Most of the time, our real life friends are more important. I agree that someone's "300 Facebook friends" probably aren't real friends.
That's my quick response. I could write a book on this subject.
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Post by deedee2277 on Aug 7, 2013 3:25:10 GMT -5
For nature i'm not a very "social" human. I easily interact with people and i'm relatively open with people, but even in real world i have very few Friends. I call it "friend VS Friends" (With capital F) I have friends which I interact and share and chat, collegues, customers, school pals..., but also I have Friends (With F), in the sense of Ohana, people that is part of my family, despite not having family bonds. I value a lot the difference of f VS F. What most people call friend I call them "people who I know" My ohana is very reduced. And the jump from f to F is something that happens whit personal relations development, so it takes time. Most interaction with drawquesters is through Twitter, which I like, because is a direct relation, and I've found people who I'm liking a lot (Sorry for them, those poor humans...) Again, as I am very affectively reserved by nature, I interact less than desirable, in part because of the public nature of social networks. For example, I don´t wish happy birthday in public, prefer to direct message, because I feel that personal relations should be more private. I enjoy much more private chats (skype, iMessage, etc...) as are more conversational and, ejem, private? I'll don't mind to develop stronger bond with some people, but also don't like to force that bonds. Real friendship is somethin that happens, or not. That doesn't means that I don't want to know about you people beyond digital realm. If any of you comes to Bilbao some day, i'll be first in line to be your personal Cicerone and guide!!! It's simply that i'm slow knitting my relationships. In fact, most of my first tweets for people are drawings instead of texting... I know, i'm complicated. I'm very reserved and very open at same time. I don't hesitate on help and answer and talk people, but at same time I have a very small affective garden... Then there is facebook, where friend is a commercial trademark. I have a FB account, but very few contacts, mostly family and some people, very few Friends. I don't trust in Facebook as platform so i don't take it very serious. In both, but most in facebook than twitter, I use a lot of time to think before "befriend" anybody. Is the same issue as in not following back people on DQ. I need to feel something whit people. I understand and identify with your thoughts entirely. I liked very much your differentation between small f and capital F, very well explainedI, Incidentally I have visited Bilbao and the Guggenheim museum and was very impressed. Some years ago I walked part of the Camino to Santiago, not as a pilgrim, I am not religious. I did it for the walking through astounding countryside and a chance to stay at some of your famous Paradores along the way You are fortunate to live in such a beautiful country
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Post by deedee2277 on Aug 7, 2013 3:35:49 GMT -5
Wow, who would have thought such a little question would spark so much discussion! I understand both sides to this debate. 1. I think it is possible to forge meaningful connections via Internet communication. We chat daily, share important moments, support each other, and give valuable opinions and advice to one and other.. Some connections are simple and almost meaningless, while others become more complex and eventually can move to our real lives. People meet online and then get along so well that they meet face to face. Friendships, romances, marriages, and families have all begun from online chatting. Before we had telephones one of the most meaningful ways to communicate was the written word. We corresponded through letters and it was an intimate way to get to know each other. When your sweetheart went off to college or war you wrote letters pledging love and devotion. People became pen pals and made life long friends. In fact, my dearest friend moved away a few years ago and now we speak through e-mail and game chat almost exclusively. Therefore, when people write to each other online it is real communication, we are forming real connections. But... 2. When we chat online do we really know each other? I know things about people, but I wouldn't say I really know any of you. We are acquainted. Can we become friends? Yes, but I think it would take more meaningful discussions than, "Gee, you draw well. I really like your avatar." Most of the time, our real life friends are more important. I agree that someone's "300 Facebook friends" probably aren't real friends. That's my quick response. I could write a book on this subject. You are right, one could write a book about relationships and communication. Your comments are spot on, it takes a lot more than Internet communication to really get to know someone before they move from acquaintance to friend. Read the lovely definition by Uineya of his distinction between small f and capital F, really echoes my thoughts.
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Post by iflowerbed2 on Aug 7, 2013 3:45:49 GMT -5
You read me well iFlowerbed2. I do like precision and accuracy, clever of you to spot that, but I do have a sense of humour too. I hope comes out in my drawings. Incidentally I'm not a member of any social networks, I've noticed how people can become completely obsessed with them. However I do like the Forum in a non obsessive way and yes, this has been a great discussion Yes, deedee,I appreciate your humour - can't think of a specific drawing (it's quite late here and I should be sleeping!). BTW, deedee is like the Chinese term for older sister (with the right tones of course, Chinese being a tonal language. I'm not on FB much either as I prefer real interactions, although there was a short period where I was on more often. DQ and chocolate are my main obsessions!
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Post by deedee2277 on Aug 7, 2013 3:47:27 GMT -5
Heap, thank you so much for giving the reasons for your initial response to my comments about "friends" I understand now exactly where you are coming from, you see reading a persons personal story can put an entirely different perspective on things. Thank you for sharing that story with us, it was lovely to read how over time acquaintance became friends and a personal meeting resulted in love. I wish you and your husband every happiness in life and thank you for giving me a new slant on the word friend
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Post by deedee2277 on Aug 7, 2013 3:57:47 GMT -5
You read me well iFlowerbed2. I do like precision and accuracy, clever of you to spot that, but I do have a sense of humour too. I hope comes out in my drawings. Incidentally I'm not a member of any social networks, I've noticed how people can become completely obsessed with them. However I do like the Forum in a non obsessive way and yes, this has been a great discussion Yes, deedee,I appreciate your humour - can't think of a specific drawing (it's quite late here and I should be sleeping!). BTW, deedee is like the Chinese term for older sister (with the right tones of course, Chinese being a tonal language. I'm not on FB much either as I prefer real interactions, although there was a short period where I was on more often. DQ and chocolate are my main obsessions! Very happy to be an older sister, and snap with the chocolates! I am happy to be thought of as an older sister, and snap, I love chocolate too!
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Post by iflowerbed2 on Aug 7, 2013 3:59:04 GMT -5
For nature i'm not a very "social" human. I easily interact with people and i'm relatively open with people, but even in real world i have very few Friends. I call it "friend VS Friends" (With capital F) I have friends which I interact and share and chat, collegues, customers, school pals..., but also I have Friends (With F), in the sense of Ohana, people that is part of my family, despite not having family bonds. I value a lot the difference of f VS F. What most people call friend I call them "people who I know" My ohana is very reduced. And the jump from f to F is something that happens whit personal relations development, so it takes time. Most interaction with drawquesters is through Twitter, which I like, because is a direct relation, and I've found people who I'm liking a lot (Sorry for them, those poor humans...) Again, as I am very affectively reserved by nature, I interact less than desirable, in part because of the public nature of social networks. For example, I don´t wish happy birthday in public, prefer to direct message, because I feel that personal relations should be more private. I enjoy much more private chats (skype, iMessage, etc...) as are more conversational and, ejem, private? I'll don't mind to develop stronger bond with some people, but also don't like to force that bonds. Real friendship is somethin that happens, or not. That doesn't means that I don't want to know about you people beyond digital realm. If any of you comes to Bilbao some day, i'll be first in line to be your personal Cicerone and guide!!! It's simply that i'm slow knitting my relationships. In fact, most of my first tweets for people are drawings instead of texting... I know, i'm complicated. I'm very reserved and very open at same time. I don't hesitate on help and answer and talk people, but at same time I have a very small affective garden... Then there is facebook, where friend is a commercial trademark. I have a FB account, but very few contacts, mostly family and some people, very few Friends. I don't trust in Facebook as platform so i don't take it very serious. In both, but most in facebook than twitter, I use a lot of time to think before "befriend" anybody. Is the same issue as in not following back people on DQ. I need to feel something whit people. I like your distinction btwn. friend and Friend, uineya. And I appreciate you sharing about your personal experiences with social interactions and your preference for private chats over public exchanges on forums such as this. Hey, there's nothing wrong with being complicated. I've found that to be the case at times when I assumed a person was one thing only to realize there was another level to them (my bad!). It is my goal to travel to Bilbao one of these days. I drool whenever I see photos of the Guggenheim - love Frank Gehry! What does Cicerone mean? Hmm, a personal guide. Sounds great!
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Post by heap241 on Aug 7, 2013 8:20:34 GMT -5
Heap, thank you so much for giving the reasons for your initial response to my comments about "friends" I understand now exactly where you are coming from, you see reading a persons personal story can put an entirely different perspective on things. Thank you for sharing that story with us, it was lovely to read how over time acquaintance became friends and a personal meeting resulted in love. I wish you and your husband every happiness in life and thank you for giving me a new slant on the word friend =] thank you for saying that, I was beginning to get a little worried! I didn't mean to be rude in any way if I did, that's another problem with social media, it's hard to judge exactly how someone is saying something, in what emotion or tone haha Everyone has different meanings personal or otherwise on their ideas of friendship, which is almost why it's a term in the first place! Mine might be different from others because of my experiences and because of theirs, just like personalities, opinions and so forth! We can't all have the same opinion, which is the beauty of discussion! I still consider you my friends, maybe not best of friends, but still friends! =]
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Post by blackrose2890 on Aug 8, 2013 2:05:33 GMT -5
Heap, thank you so much for giving the reasons for your initial response to my comments about "friends" I understand now exactly where you are coming from, you see reading a persons personal story can put an entirely different perspective on things. Thank you for sharing that story with us, it was lovely to read how over time acquaintance became friends and a personal meeting resulted in love. I wish you and your husband every happiness in life and thank you for giving me a new slant on the word friend =] thank you for saying that, I was beginning to get a little worried! I didn't mean to be rude in any way if I did, that's another problem with social media, it's hard to judge exactly how someone is saying something, in what emotion or tone haha Everyone has different meanings personal or otherwise on their ideas of friendship, which is almost why it's a term in the first place! Mine might be different from others because of my experiences and because of theirs, just like personalities, opinions and so forth! We can't all have the same opinion, which is the beauty of discussion! I still consider you my friends, maybe not best of friends, but still friends! =] yay! friends! Big hug!
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Post by LaRosebud on Aug 8, 2013 8:35:30 GMT -5
Isley, feel free to follow him. He's my almost 5 yo son. Oh and my brother Caban1992 I think. He's not on much... Oh and a couple of my students as well. twitter really helped me to get to know many of the questers and their personalities. At first I was unsure and timid, until I realized that most of them are as warped as me :-P People were so uptight and serious in college. They never enjoyed my dark or sarcastic side. Dq is like the fun side of art. The party. Fine art is such serious business... And teaching it is an entirely diff zone as well.
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Post by Lamijavin on Jan 9, 2014 18:09:37 GMT -5
My son, the little Kallandroz, is now on DQ. Ok, he is not so little (15) but has some limited mobility with his hands(+ some dyslexsie/dis orthography). DQ is good and fun practice for him! And although he struggles with drawings, he has some good ideas! (We do quest on our own and share after). Kool!
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Post by smithcarol23 on Jan 9, 2014 19:30:33 GMT -5
My son, the little Kallandroz, is now on DQ. Ok, he is not so little (15) but has some limited mobility with his hands(+ some dyslexsie/dis orthography). DQ is good and fun practice for him! And although he struggles with drawings, he has some good ideas! (We do quest on our own and share after). Kool! That is so special that you share such a positive activity together. Drawing will give hime good exercise with his hands.
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Post by regcas on Jan 14, 2014 14:23:54 GMT -5
Yay heaps text. I loved your "essay" and your opinions my friend!!
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Post by springmorning on Jan 15, 2014 12:43:12 GMT -5
.... I don't have any friends.... HA! Just kidding
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Post by springmorning on Jan 16, 2014 11:26:53 GMT -5
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Post by mrchris46 on Jan 24, 2014 19:01:46 GMT -5
.... I don't have any friends.... HA! Just kidding I can be your friend.
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Post by springmorning on Jan 26, 2014 14:37:14 GMT -5
Aw, would you?: )
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